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copious
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Jul 6, 2005, 1:26 AM
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Hi Guys,
Having used and been very impressed with Lisitings Manager I thought I would see what Search engine was like so I have a few questions.
As a start I thought I would see SE in action so went to Canadian Academy of Endodontics (featured client) and searched "Endodontic Resources" one of the titles from the menu on the left. The results that it returned seemed accurate but each lisiting was duplicated a second time. Give it a go and you will see what I mean. Why is this?
Also I currently have a site that is using the Atomz free search service, however I have run into some issues with a redesign that I have just finished. The new main naviagtion is an unordered list <ul> as the site is XHTML and CSS, what is happening is that the indexing of the search results is picking up all the menu titles within the list items and indexing them. So if you search any word that is part of a title it displays every page that uses the menu as a relevent result. For example "Fees" is a menu item and title so if you search fees it returns every page with the summery showing the menu content.
Would this be the same senario with SE?
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steve_e
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Jul 6, 2005, 4:00 AM
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Hi -
I think it would be the same. I saw a recommended solution in the forum here a while back which is to re-write your pages so that the menu is an SSI include rather than an integral part of the page. The searches then won't include the menu items.
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copious
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Jul 6, 2005, 4:10 AM
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Hi Steve_e
Thanks for the response, the pages that I have created are infact PHP and use an include function to include the navigation, not sure if that would make any difference. I wouldn't be interested in recoding my site to overcome the problem.
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steve_e
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Jul 6, 2005, 4:33 AM
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Hi Copious -
Well, you'll need to check this with the interactive tools staff (I'm just a user), but I think that would have the same effect. Search Engine checks only the files in the directories you tell it to check, so if your menu is included as a php include when the page is loaded (and you've put your menu file in a different directory) it shouldn't index it.
I think... 
Check that with IT though!
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copious
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Jul 6, 2005, 5:00 AM
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thanks Steve_e I'll see what they say..
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copious
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Jul 6, 2005, 9:34 AM
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Hi Steve_e wow your a star,
Thanks for that - so it only trawls the pages and doesn't inlcude the seprate nav file. Can I ask how your menu was created? is it a list?
thanks again.
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Jul 6, 2005, 9:42 AM
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It's a DHTML menu - fairly complex mix of javascript and css (I can say it's complex because I didn't actually write it myself).
You can find it here if it helps: http://www.foundation-stage.info/index3.php
All I did was run SE before I took the menu out and included it via php with the word Resources (which is in the menu). Then I ran it again after including the menu from the separate file and all the files listed because 'Resources' appeared in the menu disappeared! Seems proof enough to me?
Regards, Steve.
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copious
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Jul 6, 2005, 12:20 PM
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Hi Steve_e that certainly sound conclusive, I'm using <?php include ("includes/main_nav.html"); ?>but would imagine that it willget the same results.
Out of interest are there any mods on here that could explain why the include/required files are not included in the trawling of the site from SE.
thanks again Steve_e
Also what about the other question re why duplicate results?
(This post was edited by copious on Jul 6, 2005, 12:22 PM)
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copious
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Jul 6, 2005, 12:30 PM
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Steve_e
Just looking on the www.foundation-stage.info site and your search on there is Atomz correct? I am a little confused as I thought you were talking about SE not indexing require/include - where do you use SE on your site?
I notice on your article search that it is returning the same issue that I have... ie ..News The Forums Forum Introduction Forum Tips and Tricks Forum Index Articles Visitors' etc.
thanks
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Jul 6, 2005, 1:41 PM
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Hi -
Yes, I've been using Atomz but wasn't happy with it, so I've been intending to implement SE for a while now. Your post just got me thinking about it.
I need to set up some proper templates before I can 'switch it on' though. So I just made a temporary search page and turned my menu into an include file to test your query out.
You can find the temporary search page at www.foundation-stage.info/search3.php
If I can get it looking decent over the next couple of days I'll switch permanently to SE and let you know when I've done it. I have a dilemma, which is that I need to search two areas of the site. The forum pages are generated dynamically, so I can't index them with SE and need to use the forum software's own search utility. It's always been tough to educate the users into using the right search tool at the right time!
Hope that helps! 
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copious
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Jul 6, 2005, 1:46 PM
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Thanks Steve_e I would be interested in knowing how it works out.
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Jul 6, 2005, 4:40 PM
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Hi copious,
Thanks for posting!
It looks like steve_e has answered the main questions you had about avoiding duplicate results with menus on Search Engine pages (Thanks steve_e!).
If you have any other questions or comments on how to set this up you can feel free to let me know!
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Jul 7, 2005, 12:21 AM
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Mike,
Steve-e has answered the question about not indexing certain elements of the page (ie the main menu) by using an include file that isn't picked up. Thanks Steve-e
My question about duplicate results is linked directly to the client site you show as an example...
Here is the point I was making --- As a start I thought I would see SE in action so went to Canadian Academy of Endodontics (featured client) and searched "Endodontic Resources" one of the titles from the menu on the left. The results that it returned seemed accurate but each lisiting was duplicated a second time. Give it a go and you will see what I mean. Why is this?
You will have to visit the site to see what I mean.
Thanks
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Jul 7, 2005, 10:00 AM
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Hi copious.
Thanks for clearing that up .
Having certain links get duplicated like that isn’t actually a behavior in Search Engine that I have seen before. I would have to do some research into it on the server to determine the exact cause.
I suspect that it might be a permissions problem that is preventing their data files from properly updating so two entries for the same page are being saved. It would be really easy to fix. I am just not sure if they are aware of the situation. If I hear anything from them, I’ll update this thread.
It shouldn’t be a problem under normal circumstances though, so I wouldn’t worry about it.
Just let me know if you have anymore questions .
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Perchpole
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Sep 4, 2005, 4:39 PM
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Hello, all -
I'm curious to learn if anyone has found a solution to the "double result" bug? Everytime I initiate a search the system returns identical duplicate results. In fact, you could say it returns "pairs" of results!
AJ
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Hi AJ.
Thanks for posting!
I haven’t actually heard anything regarding that particular issue since the last post so I don’t know for sure whether Copious had found a solution.
If you wanted to send me a support request though:
https://www.interactivetools.com/support/email_support.cgi
I would be more than happy to take a look myself for you and see what I can do to get you going.
Let me know if you have anymore questions in the meantime .
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