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Hi all,
I’ve spent some time swotting up on RSS and thought I’d open it up to the forum in the hope of stimulating some discussion. We really need to sound out people’s precise needs to figure out how and where we need to improve Article Manager to accommodate it.
After batting ideas around with some co-workers, we eventually decided that passing in a unique RSS-friendly template to the search engine would be the way to go – or at least a sensible preliminary approach.
So, I’ve written a (basic) RSS-friendly template which I’ve attached to this post. Like always, you use it with your search engine as follows:
…search.cgi?search=1&template=syndicate.rss
(Place the file directly in your /templates directory).
And feel free to add whatever specific search criteria you wish to trim down your search. [the only relevant restriction is that with the RSS 0.91 Standard, you’re limited to only 15 syndicated articles. It’s not a hardcoded restriction, but be warned: going over that number will invalidate your RSS feed… (sounds ominous, doesn’t it? ;-)]
The following is a few details about implementing it on your site and the assorted problems / limitations / questions you might run into.
1. Version
Of the various standards of RSS out there I vouched for the oldest for the attached template. According to the RSS O’Reilly text, 55% of webfeeds are using 0.91 (March 2003), so I gotta go with the majority… (at least for starters). Plus 0.91 is forward compatible. But, of course, go right ahead and redo the template for 0.92 or 2.0.
Mind you, at this stage, the version is of considerable less importance than the actual manner of syndication. But let me just make a couple of remarks to first help you getting it going on your sites:
Dates
To conform to RSS standards, all date fields (notably the <pubDate> element, used to output the last updated field), have to be in a format defined in RFC 822 (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc822.html). As an example:
Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:04:23 EDT
By default, Article Manager’s date_time is set to this format:
Apr 24th, 2003 - 15:53:17
Close, but no cigar. This formatting won’t validate properly. To fix this, you'll need to edit your config.ini file (in /exec directory). Change this line:
datetime_format = %b %o, %Y - %H:%M:%S
to this:
datetime_format = %a, %d %b %Y %H:%M:%S
(Alternatively, you could just remove the <pubDate> element from your template). Now the $global_updated$ placeholder will work it’s magic in your template.
2. The syndicate.rss template
The attached template is very basic; there’s virtually no difference between each of the four template cells – I found 0.91 quite fastidious in it’s formatting requirements – and it raised questions about how one could even emulate the current Article Manager syndication (I’ll discuss that below).
To get this properly running on your site, you’ll need to update a couple of places in the syndicate.rss template:
<description>Name of feed</description>
- here, you can name your particular webfeed (perhaps your website name)
<pubDate>$global_updated$ PST</pubDate>
- As mentioned, either remove this line or change your date_time format.
<image>
<url>http://www.yoursite.com/path/to/image.gif</url>
<title>Description of image here</title>
<link>$url_publish$</link>
</image>
The image element, surprisingly enough (to me) is required. It’s supposed to describe the feed’s accompanying icon. Funny that there’s no <image> option allowed for the ARTICLE, but only for the feed itself...
2. Browser
When you’ve fixed up the template for your site’s specifications, then plunk it in your /templates directory and get the search.cgi to produce your new RSS feed (see above).
Trying to load the page in IE yields an interesting problem - it refuses to even draw the page, so you won’t be able to capture the feed. The latest versions of Mozilla and Netscape work fine. It seems to be an issue with the way IE handles MIME content-type in conjunction with cgi scripts plus the .rss template… but I’m really not sure where the problem lies just yet. But the million dollar question is: does the way you currently capture RSS feeds work with this approach to syndication? Can you grab the file for processing?
One other note: since this approach uses your search engine to actively generate the webfeed, you won’t want to announce the location of the RSS feed on your site; having hundreds of sites continually querying your search engine just might be a strain on your server resources… ;-)
Some useful links:
RSS Feed Validator:
http://feeds.archive.org/validator/
RSS 0.91 Standard:
http://backend.userland.com/rss091
This has been my first taste of RSS (and I love it!) and I’d welcome any comments, suggestions, improvements or questions you might have. Let me end with some of my own:
1. Which version of RSS are you using?
2. How are you capturing the RSS file? (and how’s it being processed? – just curious :-)
3. Is the above approach compatible with the way which you currently capture RSS files?
4. Do you think the RSS standard will really work to properly syndicate Article Manager content?
The reason I ask this is because of the following:
- There’s no permissible <image> subelement in <item>, so you can't syndicate article images.
- How could we differentiate between ‘types’ of article – (URL link only, summary only, full article, file) ?
- There's no HTML allowed in syndicated fields… (again, for strict compliance). This hardly goes hand-in-hand with the ol'
built-in WYSIWYG field. If you have multiple authors entering articles, how would you prevent them entering in HTML - even with the WYSIWYG field disabled? (Ask them really nicely...?!)
- How can we offer the same variety in syndication options like we do with the current JavaScript syndicator with an RSS version? The above method is ultimately unrealistic for syndication on large numbers of sites in that repeated queries to the search.cgi script would overload the server. So how can we do it better?
Anyway, I hope the above will provoke some thought and comments.
Ben
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bboilard
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After reading this article I am confused... what good is an RSS file that you don't want people to know where it is or can be marketed? The whole point of an RSS file is to syndicate your content to anyone that will have it.
I think all you need to do is automatically output an RSS file whenever a new article is added... with a short description, Title and link to the article... what so difficult about that?
Other options I'd like to see is generating and RSS file for each category and maybe in different formats selectable by the admin... Yes .91 is a popular version but there are many agregators that are using 1.0 or 2.0 - The ability to do all 3 would be awesome if not necessary to capture all the markets you after.
But the RSS file needs to be outputed in a world readable directory that is is marketable to agregators like internet.com, moreover etc and anybody else who want to get there hands on...
Just my opinion!
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Hi bboilard,
Thanks for your post! Let me run over your comments:
> what good is an RSS file that you don't want people to know where it is or can be marketed?
In a lot of cases, very little. The above solution is only really feasible for offering your feed to a select few - any more may be too much of a server strain. More than anything, I wanted to get a solution out there, despite it's clear deficiencies, partly to at least offer the option of an RSS feed and partly to test the waters; I wanted to get a better sense of the overall demand.
But you're quite right, it would hardly be a Herculean task to generate RSS files for each category - very much like is done with the current JavaScript webfeed generator. The problem is that the dynamic aspect of the JavaScript syndicator can't really be emulated with RSS. The javascript syndication files (syndicate_1.js, etc) all contain the same data, and depending on who's retrieving the file, and their particular choices, they will only see this number of articles, in this format from this category. It's a lovely design; the client does all the work.
With RSS, all we could really is churn out raw files containing all the syndicatable data. It would have to be up to the client to process the data as they saw fit. Would this work for you? What kind of admin controls would be most beneficial?
Thanks for your comments!
Ben
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Hi Ben,
First I would like to know what you consider raw files? Do you mean raw files as in raw xml files with every category and article in one file or xml files for each category and in what format, .91, 1.0, 2.0??
The admin section I can think of a lot of good ideas, I am just not sure of what you can do. I have 2 clients that I am thinking of installing Article manager for, but I would need to know that I can count on an RSS feed for them at least in version .91 that would me marketable and able to submit to the RSS engines and Aggregators like Moreover, Syndic8, Internet.com, etc. Basically the more control over the XML output the better. Maybe a check box for each article that says "include in RSS" so that that admin can determine which Articles are included in the dump. I would be happy with this kind of functionality if I could dump 1 RSS file and tell the system to dump the article or not. This would be a good start. When you get further in to it, then you can output for each category.
I would be willing to work with you to develop and test for one of these clients, but the other one I would need a solid solution.
The RSS format is going to start getting bigger and bigger since Google is now indexing these files and have just bought one of the bigger Blog sites.
Thanks
Bob
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Heya,
First off, I should probably make it clear that there are no immediate plans for built-in RSS syndication in Article Manager. I hope I didn't give the wrong impression, I'm just trying to sound out ideas.
> Do you mean raw files as in raw xml files with every category and article in one file or xml files for each category and in what format, .91, 1.0, 2.0??
Outputting in the different formats would be actually pretty straightforward. If we were to implement it along the same lines as the JavaScript webfeed, you'd have a separate RSS template which would be used to create the actual feeds. It would be a simple matter to have three (or four) templates - each for a different version of RSS. But yes, by 'raw' files, I just meant static xml files - which are updated every time a new article is added/removed/modified. There'd probably have to be one for each category & one for all categories.
I do agree that RSS is only going to get bigger. But for us, the trick is to sort out what's most needed by our clients and implement those features first. An RSS syndication option is still up in the air... (supply & demand...!)
And thanks for jotting down your ideas! I like the idea of having a checkbox to indicate WHICH files would be syndicated via RSS...
Ben
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Well, I was hoping that you'd implement this ASAP, but I guess I'll have to find a differnent solution for my clients as I have an immediate need for something, even if it's crude... I just don't want to make these files manually and then have to keep updating them every time they add an article, newsletter, whitepaper etc.
Thanks
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Hi Benjamin, thanks for your work on the RSS template. Seems to work fine once that file is tweaked.
I think there's a bug in it -- while "Summary-only" articles display the summary text in the RSS output as they should, "Internet URL" articles don't display any summary text, even if the article contains it.
Probably just a field addition somewhere in that RSS template?...
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Hey Benjamin, great RSS templately. I was playing around with your file last night and found a few other fields you may want to consider adding in the next "version" of the RSS template. I've left my own data in as an example. They all conform to standards.
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<copyright>(C) 2003 Tod Maffin Inc.</copyright>
<managingEditor>tod@futurefile.com</managingEditor>
<webMaster>webmaster@futurefile.com</webMaster>
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<author>email@address.com</author>
<category>$cat_name$</category>
And also, the row_link record needs a <description>$art_summary$</description> in there.
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Here is the site feed link from our site. I am adding it because it meets the standards of the larger news indexing services, which is how we get 90% of our traffic:
http://www.businessevolved.com/rss.php
Site is: http://www.businessEvolved.com
I came by this site because we use SiteWorks Pro and one of the pet peeves of mine with that software is that there are a few major bugs I am being promised are 'being looked at for the next patch'...a promise made months ago. The bugs are concerning the subscriptions..which is a major marketing channel of the site. I have implimented new software to handle it since then. Second reason that I am looking for a new article manager: I need one that creates static pages instead of database (mysql) based dynamic pages so that search engines index them.
Many times we forget that marketing the site has to be a priority if we are going to make money. MY main priorities is RSS indexing, search engine marketability (static pages!) and then user interface features (increase the user experience).
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Tod, thanks very much for your addition! I'll take another look at the template -chances are I just missed that $art_summary$ placeholder when throwing it together.
Dominic - I'm very pleased to be getting some feedback for this. So while Article Manager appears to have the functionality you need (publishing static pages, especially), would you say the lack of an RSS feed is the biggest failing?
Ben
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The lack of RSS stops me from evaluating it any further. If that was added, I can say that from what I have seen I may make a change to this system. The static pages is cause for celebration in itself. The RSS output puts my site on major portals *(indexed currently with all major news services), so this is an obvious marketing channel I can not ignore.
The cost/investment seems slightly prohibitive, but if it has features that no one else has, it is an easy objection to hurdle. I spent $150 on SiteWorks Pro. Its major features make it comparible to most content/article management systems like yours.
If it had RSS output files, I would compare the benefits to my current system and weigh the investment/payoff, and make a decision from there. (Most likely I would be very interested!)
Dominic
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I found if I change the template from syndicate.rss to syndicate.xml I can use the search.cgi url you gave and get the required code for an XML file in Internet Explorer.
I simply run the search and copy the output that appears in my IE window.
Then I paste it into an xmlfeed.xml file I have on my site, creating a xml feed.
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Hi ELaberis,
Thanks for your post, but I still don't seem to be having much luck. Which version of IE are you running? I'm using IE 6, and whenever I try to load up that page with the .xml extension it still hangs... are you doing anything else different that might help?
Ben
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There are two news feed sites that said they'd pickup my headlines once I have an RSS feed.
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I run two high traffic alt.news websites -- Electronic Iraq at http://electronicIraq.net and The Electronic Intifada at http://electronicIntifada.net -- together receiving between 300,000 and 1,000,000 unique visitors a month. Both run on ArtMan.
One of the goals we have for these sites is to include them in aggregator streams, so that our news and analysis appears in the same streams as regular commercial news. One example is Google News: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&scoring=d&edition=&q=%22Electronic+Iraq%22
In the same way as Print This and E-mail This functions act virally to market sites in a passive way, as do search engines, so do syndication and news aggregators.
As RSS is a syndication standard, it makes sense that ArtMan offers it. The most sensible place to do this would be the webfeed generator.
I can't implement a solution that runs from the search engine. While both sites run on separate dedicated servers, for sure constant queries from news junkies who've set their RSS feeds to a highly caffeinated rate would slow things down.
What would be most helpful would be a single RSS index page that we can link to, that is autogenerated, and which allows people to select either individual feeds or a global feed. Presumably we're talking a similar mechanism to that which creates the Java syndication files.
However, it should be noted that Ben's workaround solution would at least allow ArtMan users to offer their feeds to Moreover.com and similar services, if not the general public. And this is something that is very worthwhile.
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Here's another idea.
One of my co-workers, Ken, recently created an Article Manager add-on called 'publishcron'. This is a utility that allows Article Manager users to funnel search engine queries into static html files, at intervals determined by the server's cron facility. (Note - cron is specific to unix servers). You can download it here:
http://www.interactivetools.com/forum/forum.cgi?post=11967
What's so powerful about this is that if you're running a busy site, replacing hardcoded links to the search engine with a link to a static page will greatly reduce your server load. High server load is precisely the reason my previous post wouldn't work for producing RSS feeds for the majority of sites.
So here's another solution. You could integrate Ken's publishcron with the technique described in my first post, to create static RSS files, published to your server at whatever periods you desire. That way you get the best of everything: static RSS feeds in each and every format you wish (0.91, 0.92, 1.0, 2.0).
To do this, you'll need to do the following steps:
1. Create templates in whatever RSS format you wish. My above template is in RSS 0.91, so that might be a good place to start to adapt it to other formats.
2. Download publishcron and get it running on your server. The zipfile contains instructions on how to get it going.
3. Decide what feeds you want to make available on your site. I'd suggest the basics: one feed for latest news, and one for category-specific latest news.
4. Custom build your search engine queries to return those results you desire. This will constitute the content of your webfeeds. I wrote a utility which could help you out for this - it's ostensibly for creating SSI's, but actually produces Article Manager search queries. You can download it here: http://www.interactivetools.com/forum/forum.cgi?post=11590.
5. Taking those search engine queries produced in (4), you manually enter them into the publishcron.ini file alongside the name of the output static file (as described in the instructions in the publishcron readme). Here, you can specify the extension of the outputted file to be .rss, thus creating your feeds.
6. Then, provided publishcron is set up properly, you should get your RSS feeds - continually updated at whatever interval you specified!
I won't fib, this is very much a workaround, and will take work to set up. In addition, publishcron is particular to unix servers, as mentioned. So to get it going on Windows servers, you'd need to do some research on Scheduled Tasks...
While an RSS syndicator is ultimately a goal of Article Manager, this seems like a sensible temporary solution.
Ben
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Okay, I did the full deal on this. I set up a custom rss template and then used publishcron to generate a static syndicate.rss file in my root directory.
It works like a charm. Now I'll start marketing it.
Check it out at: http://www.universetoday.com/universetoday.xml
Fraser Cain
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Hi Fraser!
That looks great. :) You will, of course, let us know how well that works out for you?
Good to hear from you!
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>> would you say the lack of an RSS feed is the biggest failing? <<
I've been using ArtMan only since July, and haven't really added much of anything to it, other than my own content. At first I was afraid that if I touched something, it would break, and it did do that a few times in the beginning; but, even though I'm a little more comfortable with it now, I don't think I'd dare attempt the tweaking that seems to be required for an RSS feed.
I have had requests for it, though; and if it were to be added to ArtMan as a regular feature, it would add to the usefulness of the program, as so many of the news sites are moving to RSS.
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Hi magic-ci,
Thank you for your comments .
RSS content is something I know the development team is looking into, and while I cannot guarantee anything, I would be happy to pass your comment on and hopefully it will be implemented in a future release .
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Cheers,
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Hello.
I really need to setup RSS, and am trying to get this link, referenced here:
http://www.interactivetools.com/forum/forum.cgi?post=11590.
but keep getting a "you're not authorized" message ... is there an updated link to this utility?
Thanx
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Neotrope,
Thanks for the post. The SSI Wizard that you were looking for doesn't work with the new version of Article Manager unless you switch the search engine's dynamic rendering to "template includes". You could always switch while you use it to create your queries, then switch it back when you're done.
The wizard isn't necessary at all for the creation of RSS feeds, it just makes creating the search queries a bit easier.
If you'd like to try out the SSI Wizard, drop me an email at theo@interactivetools.com and I'll email it to you as an attachment.
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Hi, Theo
and thanks so much for the reply.
Is there a link to an updated tutorial (newer than 2003) on how to setup automated RSS feeds ?
We need to setup an auto function to run every hour on the hour to grab the latest headlines and links from our 10 or less news categories, and then post that someplace.
I think this is coming in the next MYSQL version of AM (or so I've seen some hints about that), but we need to get this setup asap for a yahoo/inktomi feed.
We have no problems with moreover or google since they are smart enough to grab the html or raw text content from static pages. But others will only work with a RSS/XML feed (sigh).
Any help would be appreciated. I own my own hosting business (since 96), and own my own Linux servers, so not afraid to hack some perl here and there, but was trying to setup something that wouldn't crack the core applications, and also avoid manually updating the info. Even if it just published something when I republished pages would be cool.
Thanks for your time!
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Aug 24, 2004, 2:40 PM
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Re: [Neotrope] The importance of RSS
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Neotrope,
Other than the SSI wizard, everything should work the same as before (as described in Ben's "Here's another idea" post), including the publishcron utility (which Cliff loves so much that he uses the screen name Publishcron in our LAN games). This is the system being used on Universe Today, which is running the latest version of Article Manager, and publishes on a cron job.
You're correct that the mySQL version will also include well integrated support for RSS output.
Give it a try following Ben's instructions, and if you have any hitches let us know and we'll give you a hand. Also, if you don't have access to the server's cron tab, I have a little trick I can show you that will run publishcron whenever Article Manager publishes.
Theo Wiersma
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Mike4172
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Aug 26, 2004, 10:12 AM
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Christopher,
WIth AM RSS is really easy to setup. All you really hafta do is create a new file in the templates/article direcotry. Alter the tags to XML and insert the variables already there ($art_summary$, $art_date$ ect).
The CronJob comes in very handy to, if you follow the instructions you can actually auto update the RSS feed everytime you click the save button. Works like a charm :)
If you want to see how mine is set up (provided you have a news reader) go to http://www.bravesnews.com
Good Luck,
Michael
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