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happytime
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Oct 22, 2006, 12:36 PM

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Helllllllllllllp!! Can't Post

After several more hours today, I've about given up on trying to use 2.0 for the current site we're building and wait for clear, step by step documentation.

If there's anyone brilliant who can lay this out simply, I'd be soooooo grateful.

Here's an example of what we want to do, and were able to do quite easily with ArtMan 1, using an About Us category, for instance:

1. Create a directory named "about"
2. Have the category index (now called an Article List, I think) write to rootweb/about.shtml. If that can't happen, will settle for about/index.shtml.
3. Have all articles for that category (About Us) publish to the directory "about." ie, about/mission.shtml and about/location.shtml.

Have tried everything I can think of, including Dave's publishing rule recommendation. Created new "Publishing Rule" just for the category "about." Created new publishing rule for the articles to send to the about/ directory. Assigned to about. Experimented with a dozen permutations...

Results have been all over the board from the creation of an about directory with another directory inside named "index," to the creation of a page in the rootweb named aboutindex.shtml, and any number of variations. Never achieved Holy Grail: about.shtml with articles publishing to about/ directory.

I would give my kingdom (well, it's pretty small, but still...) for Step 1, Step 2, Step 3 instructions clearly and explicitly laying out every detail required to create our simple about.shtml index and/or "article list" page with related articles publishing to the about/ directory.

Otherwise, pre-documentation adoption is too early for us. It would be fun to play around with it, but unfortunately we don't have discretionary time for that. This is actually why we pay for a tool out of the box, like the great ones IT provides WITH documentation and support, time being money.

Sorry if this sounds like a whine. Just getting very tired of losing so much time trying to make this work and disappointed that it doesn't. Been flying without a net here.

Thanks.


(This post was edited by happytime on Oct 22, 2006, 12:38 PM)


ColinW-O
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Oct 22, 2006, 3:28 PM

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Re: [happytime] Helllllllllllllp!! [In reply to] Can't Post

I have something similar, different categories.

1) You need to create a new category first, called About in AM2's CATEGORIES menu at the top of the page.

2) Create a new template off the Category Index template the way you want it and basically just copy the same rule of "Category Indexes" and call it About from the PUBLISHING menu. It won't be published in root, it will be in /about/ . You will need to play around with tags to see what you want included and/or removed from that template so the site shows up the way you want it.

3) When you post a new article make sure you select ABOUT as the category and everything will be posted there and you can give the post a filename that you want each time you're going to post something.

From what I can understand, that's what you need. Maybe IT staff can correct any mistakes, but that's how I'm set up.

Colin
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happytime
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Oct 22, 2006, 4:50 PM

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Re: [ColinW-O] Helllllllllllllp!! [In reply to] Can't Post

What a great job on your site, Colin! You're an inspiration.

Okay, here's what I did.

1. I created a Category "About" with the filename about.
2. In the Publishing Rule section, created a publishing rule, designated a default template (thought that might be safe?), and used Placeholder Set Name "uniqueCat." Under Rule Options selected Category lists, one for each and used <catFile>. Designated custom Publish Directory, /home/allthatstuff/public_html/about/
Included only selected category About.

I didn't do anything special to the default template. Should I have?

Results:
A cat index page was created in public_html: aboutabout.shtml (Catchy, huh? But not what I wanted.)
When I published 2 test articles to About, they can't be found. The article(s) link is about/about/Really_last_try.shtml (sad little page name)

But here's the clincher: way over in the artman2/publish/ directory there's another...artman2/publish/about/. Inside there is a fine little printer-friendly article: Really_last-try_printer.shtml.

I'm baffled, my dear Watson!

Does the information below help at all?

Back on Friday when I hit the button for the initial transfer, AM2 published previously existing directories, but suddenly each directory had another inside name "Index." All the articles and the category index were republished there. It looks like this (from server view):
PreviousDirectory/
Contains all the articles and the cat Index, index.shtml
Previous Directory/Index/
Contains all the articles and the cat Index, index.shtml

Why the existence of the second level directory named "Index" I wonder?

Words can't describe how much I appreciate your trying to help with this. Any insight at all will be more than I have now and might put me on the right track at last.

Thank you thank you.


ColinW-O
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Oct 23, 2006, 2:01 AM

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Re: [happytime] Helllllllllllllp!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow hmm.. err...okay, couple of questions before I figure this out:

1) What was the publish URL of article manager 1?

2) What is the publish URL of article manager 2?

Using <catFile> in the the publishing rule will put the category name before each file you publish I believe, which is why you have aboutabout.shtml

When I did the transfer myself, I first published to a test directory. My previous installation was at mydomain/news/ . I installed AM2 at mydomain/news2/ and after I was happy with everything, I changed the publish directory back to mydomain/news/ deleting all previous posts with the new ones.

I don't like having the /publish/ folder around, I go directly to the root of the directory I have it installed. I use AM2 for news delivery, and that's in the /news/ folder so anything I publish in AM goes in /news/ only not in /news/publish/blablablayaddayaddayadda/


happytime
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Oct 23, 2006, 9:26 AM

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Re: [ColinW-O] Helllllllllllllp!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Wow, hmmm and errr were exactly my reactions.

Your input has been really helpful. What we've decided to do is axe the 2.0 installation (fortunately, I did install that into separate, parallel directories, just as you did), finish building this new site with 1.41, and hope that Interactive Tools will continue to support the previous version for a while. Given their history, I'm sure they will...support is so fine here as a rule. The 1.41 interface is simple and easy for clients to update and will probably work better for this project, anyhow.

Something strange went on during my upgrade, apparently, due to the fact that we were publishing to so many custom directories. Can't get over those funky extra "Index" directories. Odd. I know you're on the right track with those default publish directories...will sort it out later.

I agree with you; I don't like using the 3rd-level directory default setup with AM/publish/weAreFinallyHere protocol. But you can see why we didn't want to publish directly into the www or public_html area since we ran the risk of writing over previously finished work. We've found that publishing related articles to next-level directories (oursite.com/localnews/, for instance) with the cat-list or index page either outside (oursite.com/localnews.shtml) or, more commonly as the index of the directory (oursite.com/localnews/index.shtml) works best and is a much more elegant way to provide links from outside the site.

You've been a champ, and I'll be back. Maybe by that time there will be complete simplified documentation for publishing with 2.0 from the start to the end. The terminology is unique to the new version and requires time to integrate.

Must deliver project. Back soon.

Thank you so much, again, for your help, Angel Colin Angelic


ColinW-O
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Oct 23, 2006, 10:12 AM

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Re: [happytime] Helllllllllllllp!! [In reply to] Can't Post

You're welcome. Sorry I couldn't help more. I'm sure the fine folks here at Interactivetools can figure out your problem in a heartbeat.

I wasn't going to upgrade actually, but they convinced me it's easy. If everything goes according to plan, it is. :) But they've been helpful whenever I needed something so...


happytime
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Oct 23, 2006, 10:52 AM

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Re: [ColinW-O] Helllllllllllllp!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks, Colin. I'm sure you're right and that it can be done. It's just that we now see it's going to take a lot of time, that rarest of commodities.

Hopefully, when/if complete documentation comes out, that won't be quite the problem it is now.

Cheers.
Cool


Theo
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Oct 23, 2006, 2:03 PM

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Here's an example of what we want to do, and were able to do quite easily with ArtMan 1, using an About Us category, for instance:

1. Create a directory named "about"
2. Have the category index (now called an Article List, I think) write to rootweb/about.shtml. If that can't happen, will settle for about/index.shtml.
3. Have all articles for that category (About Us) publish to the directory "about." ie, about/mission.shtml and about/location.shtml.


Do you want this folder/name convention only for "About"? What do you want your other categories to do?


Theo Wiersma
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(This post was edited by Theo on Oct 23, 2006, 2:14 PM)


happytime
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Oct 25, 2006, 6:57 PM

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Re: [Theo] Helllllllllllllp!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for answering, Theo.

We usually designate specific folders for each category, just to keep things easy to maintain and organize. That means we always have at least a dozen or so categories with that many discrete directories. Articles publish to the related directories.

We deleted the 2.0 upgrade (with all those extra "Index" directories within directories and completely new templating system), and are using 1.41 to complete this project. Too much to risk for immediate delivery to client and we know that ArtMan 1 is rock solid.

I see that documentation is coming along well, and by the time we're ready for the next one, no doubt all my questions will be answered there. I do have confidence that 2.0 will solid, too, especially after a few more days of intense use by your creative customers.

Appreciate your weighing in, though. I know it's been a super busy time for all of you.


Theo
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Oct 27, 2006, 1:12 PM

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Re: [happytime] Helllllllllllllp!! [In reply to] Can't Post

What you're describing will work nicely, if I understand what you're looking for. You want your category pages to do into your main web folder (about.shtml, news.shtml, etc), but you want the articles to go into subfolders (about/, news/)?

This is very close to what Article Manager 2 does by default, the only change you'd need to make is to the "Category Indexes" publishing rule. Instead of publishing as "<catFile>/index.<ext>", it should just be "<catFile>.<ext>".

Since you want to publish your indexes to your webroot, and your folders off of that, once you're happy with your Article Manager 2 installation it's just a matter of updating your Default Publish Folder and URL to point to your webroot, instead of /artman2/publish/.

Now, if you want to do something *different* with one category (or with a few categories), such as publish to into a totally artibrary folder, you could do this one of two ways:

- Put the full folder path (from your publish directory) in the categories "Filename" field (i.e. members/news). This will apply to all instances of <catFile> in publishing rules, so your index would be members/news.shtml and your articles would go into members/news/. If this won't work for your design, you'll have to do the following.

- Set up a publish rule for your "special" category. This didn't work quite right in 2.00 (customizing publish location or filename wouldn't work), but has been improved for 2.01. This will work for any rule type, but for example purposes we'll assume you want your Articles to go to a custom location:
1) Go to the Article Pages publishing rule and go down to Category Filter. Select "Exclude" and set the radio button to [Excluse] the selected categories, then select the category you want customize. Save the rule.

2) "Create" a new Publishing Rule. Call it "Article Pages - custom for [Category Name]". Set the Placeholder Set name to be the same as your other rule (articlePage) - this is VERY important, otherwise your templates won't link to the custom files - and select the same template (articlePages/articlePage.html).

3) Go down to Category Filter as per step 1 and "Exclude" the appropriate category. Now you can customize the naming convention for the published page and/or the folder/URL that you want the articles to go into. When you're done, click save, and you're done (except for re-publishing).

Note that this same technique can be used to have custom templates, though often you're better off creating custom fields or adding some "tempalteIf's" to your templates, rather than having lots of templates. In general, it's more efficient (and recommended) to define the differences between categories without extra publishing rules or templates.


I hope this helps. Regardless of which way you want to do it, I'm sure we can get the effect you're looking for. It's just a matter of fine-tuning the details for your needs, and we're happy to help you through that if necessary. Smile


Theo Wiersma
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happytime
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Oct 27, 2006, 3:42 PM

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Thanks, Theo. This sounds doable. Will try it on our next upgrade, not too long off.

Great support, and we appreciate it!