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Dave
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Aug 23, 2002, 2:59 PM

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This is mainly a bug fix release, but there are a few new features. Changes are as follows:

- wysiwyg editor has been updated to be much faster
- fixed "sort by title" bug under setup options that caused program errors
- $url_index$ is now defined by the search engine
- fixed problem causing blank articles without date to sometimes be created
- updated upgrade routine to remove any articles without date and title
- search engine, new placeholder $url_search_category$ available
- search engine, new placeholders, $in_xxxxx$ added for all form keys/values

If you previously had any problems with the archiving due to having articles without a date, this release will will resolve them. Also, if you found the wysiwyg editor to be slow, we've made a large number of optimizations to improve the speed. It should be much faster now.

Dave Edis - Senior Developer
interactivetools.com
 


MalaK_3araby
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Aug 23, 2002, 3:56 PM

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Thank you VREY much.

You guys are responding greatly.



Edit: and to fellow members:
visit http://www.interactivetools.com/upgrade/index.cgi to get your upgrade. :)

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Sure you can spell it, but do you get it?

(This post was edited by MalaK_3araby on Aug 23, 2002, 3:58 PM)


taylor
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Aug 23, 2002, 4:02 PM

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CoolI agree with MalaK_3araby!

Taylor


CharityChannel
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Aug 23, 2002, 5:32 PM

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I've just upgraded to 1.21. I'm using IE 6.0 on Win2k machine. Try as I might, I've been unable to get the WYSIWYG tools to display. What should I check for troubleshooting purposes?
Steve


Dave
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Aug 23, 2002, 5:34 PM

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What version did you upgrade from? Make sure all the editor files are uploaded, they're found under /images/htmlarea/.

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CharityChannel
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Aug 23, 2002, 5:43 PM

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I upgraded from 1.11. Yes, all the editor files are there.
Steve

(This post was edited by CharityChannel on Aug 23, 2002, 5:54 PM)


Dave
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Aug 23, 2002, 7:53 PM

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Did you set the content field to be a wysiwyg one under Setup Options -> General? If that still doesn't do the trick email support@interactivetools.com with your artman url and artman login info and they'll take a look and get it fixed up for you.

Hope that helps! : )

Dave Edis - Senior Developer
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CharityChannel
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Aug 24, 2002, 4:57 AM

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Yes, I've set them to WYSIWYG. Okay, I'll go to tech support. Thanks Dave.
Steve


noza
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Aug 24, 2002, 9:52 PM

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Unsure Sorry Dave, but the upgraded 1.21 WYSIWYG editor, still too, too slow to be implemented and use on-line. Articles need to be type, and publish as fast as the WYSIWYG editor in this forum. Pirate I won't be able to use for now, wondering if other have same problem. Also, it would be nice to have a "switch to basi editor" button like in this forum.

Pat


Dave
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Aug 24, 2002, 10:36 PM

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Noza, if you can work with us a little we can likely get it working fast for you. We checked with a few other users and one of our staff in the office who had the old wysiwyg running slow on his computer (dlo) and they all reported the new version was much faster. So the first thing I would try is refreshing your browser to make sure the old version isn't cached. Maybe try the online demo for article manager or this link here and let me know if the wysiwyg is still slow:

http://www.interactivetools.com/staff/dave/htmlarea/

It is it, let me know what kind of computer you're using and what version of IE and we can look into it further.

Also, if you click the "HTML Source" button that looks like this [<>] you get something similar to the basic editor.

Dave Edis - Senior Developer
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noza
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Aug 24, 2002, 10:42 PM

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Dave, not a problem I love your product I have it in 3 sites, and I appreciate everyting you are doing. I'll check out the test site, follow your advise and report back.

Pat


noza
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Aug 24, 2002, 11:03 PM

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Dave,

The on line test page is faster and usable but still words trail behing my typing and not as fast as the editor in this forum.

In the site I'm working on:

http://www.azhumane.org/cgi-local/artimgr/exec/admin.cgi

Still very, very slow. Actually words can't be seen at all until almost seconds later ? I have refresh the browser, log off, refres again, celared all temps, delete off-line content, cleared all history but still very slow and no change.

I'm using IE 5.5, a Gateway Pentium-166, server is Unix. All appropiate 1.20 to 1.21 files have been updated.

I have created a writer "test" - password "testme" for you to check it out. Will delete user in 24 hours.


Dave
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Aug 24, 2002, 11:55 PM

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Wow, a Pentium 166, that must be one lucky Gateway, my computers never seem to live that long! : ) Actually, I have a 266 around but I've swapped out so many of the parts that's it's really more new than old.

Anyway, in all honesty, we didn't test on anything like that, so it likely is just running slow. I'll play around with it on Monday, see what sort of optimizations we can make and send you some links for testing. (If you could help test a few links we'd really appreciate it)

In case your curious, our editor works a little differently from the forum one. It actually updates a hidden data field every time you hit a key. This makes it more likely that if you move forward a page and then go back, the wysiwyg field will remember what you've entered. It also makes it much easier to add the editor to a page without adding a lot of javascript to the form. In any case, we want to make sure it works zippy fast even on a P166 so I'll take a look Monday and get back to you with the changes.

btw, just out of curiosity, are you still using the original monitor that came with the gateway 166 and what's the screen resolution? : )

Dave Edis - Senior Developer
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noza
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Aug 25, 2002, 12:06 AM

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Hi, its not as all as it seems... Blush It's actually as fast as the latest ones at have at work with a fast connection. I have the monitor set at 800x600. I'm on a dial up, 56kV90, with 160 ram of memory. I use it for all of my sites with WSFTP, Dreamweavers4, UBB 6.1, Gosshamer Links. No gamers here so have no complains, plus no money to buy a Pentium 4 or higher

Pat Cool


WebGuys
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Aug 25, 2002, 5:55 AM

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Dave, I have run the new wysiwyg editor on a PII 300 with 256 mb's ram.

the new editor CRANK's, it is as fast as i can type which is pretty fast.

Just wanted to let you know on 300's its good

WebGuys


noza
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Aug 25, 2002, 11:16 AM

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Dave, just teste the editor with my Laptop-Compaq-Celeron.

Editor works much better. So it may be my 166 after all... yet the test link you gave me works better with my 166 ?!?!?

So far I have:
  1. refreshed the article page when I'm in the one I'm editing
  2. Cleared all cookies, deleted all temp files and cleared history




So, unless you can better optimized it, I guess those with older computers -which many of our home writers may have- are in trouble Crazy
*****UPDATE****

I JUST TESTED YOUR LINK AGAIN: (with my Pentium-166)

http://www.interactivetools.com/staff/dave/htmlarea/

Although it still trails, and it's not "on the spot typing" as my laptop, it is much, much faster than my AM admin !!?!? My Admin editor is so slow, that it actually takes seconds before words I type show up.... I'm pretty confused nowPirate

I'm going to re-installed 1.21 upgrade. FYI, I had 1.11 then 1.20 and now 1.21. First I'm going to re-do the 1.20 to 1.21, if that does not make a difference I will go a step back and redo 1.11 to 1.21.

Then clear all cache and take another shot at it, then I'll give up grab a beer and go swimming before I get kick out of the house together with my good old 166 computer Tongue

***UPDATE***

No luck, did all of the above, re-upgraded everyting from 1.11 to 1.21 (except for the sydicate.js -which I have modifiied-, NOTHING!! NO IMPROVEMENT.... It's so slow that it takes 4 seconds for the phrase

-this is a test- to show up . Yet, your test link:

http://www.interactivetools.com/staff/dave/htmlarea/

is faster !?!? PirateCrazyUnsure

It's sunday, I'm doing this for free SO.. I'm out of here ! for now :)


(This post was edited by noza on Aug 25, 2002, 12:46 PM)


Dave
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Aug 25, 2002, 7:57 PM

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Noza, yea, it definitely is slow because it's a slower computer. These types of wysiwyg editors all use javascript which runs in the browser so how fast the editor works is relative to how fast your computer is.

In any case, we want the wysiwyg editor to work fast on as many computers as possible, even 166's if possible. I have a few ideas I'm going to try on Monday, I'll send you some links that you can test when you get a chance and we'll see what we can do to speed it up.

Stay tuned! : )

Dave Edis - Senior Developer
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Dave
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Aug 26, 2002, 3:57 PM

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Noza,

Here's a beta version that's been optimized to work much faster on your 166. I tested it on my 266 and it's much faster. Give it a try and let me know how it goes. (see attachment)

Dave Edis - Senior Developer
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noza
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Aug 26, 2002, 8:47 PM

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Dave, thank you for going the extra mile. While this updated editor.js will help my 166, it won't affect other writers and users, right ? also, if a new AM release comes out, it may include the optimized editor ?

Out of curiosity, I'm going to upgrade to 1.21 the AM test site I currently have with AM 1.9. To see if it acts up the same way, and report back.

***UPDATE***

No spped up in est site, on my way to upload optimized editor.js

Pat


(This post was edited by noza on Aug 26, 2002, 11:44 PM)


noza
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Aug 27, 2002, 1:02 AM

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Dave, just updated tthe "editor.js" AND IT WORKS!!! Cool

It is much, much faster - a tiny, tiny delay - BUT much, much faster, thank you so much for taking the time and going the extra mile. I'm certain it will help others too.

Just a couple of questions:
  1. In the future would I have to replace the "editor.js" when now version come out ? or would it all be modify to match mine.
  2. AM comes with style sheet that for example:


.arttext { font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; }

However, when using the editor. and you place the cursor inside on an already created article it reads "VERDANA 2" Yet is Arial. The I change it adn type with "ARIAL 2" whci is very close but not the same as "ARIAL 12px"

So, it looks like we have to edit our "style shhets and modify the "12px" to regular size="2" etc. Otherwise, writers have no way to match the site's already exisitng articles -before the editor mod -

Hope, I was able to explain.

This example may help:

http://www.azhumane.org/artimgr/publish/article_11.shtml

Pat


taylor
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Aug 27, 2002, 8:08 AM

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CrazyYes-I, too, have noticed some discrepencies with the style sheets and the editor font choices as well as how they are displayed once a document is published--very inconsistent. It makes for a different experience in IE versus Netscape. In Netscape, a 12pt Times font will look 10pt but not so in IE. Very frustrating. I keep thinking it's the style sheets....I dunno. Help!

Is there a way to override the style sheets and just use the editor for everything?

Taylor

PS: Pat--you never did post your modified Big Nose Bird Email script so we could see what parameters you changed. I still can't get mine to work and the guy on BNB has never replied to my emails. Dave, Could you help me? Somebody????

PirateTaylor


Dave
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Aug 27, 2002, 9:10 AM

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Noza, glad to hear it's working faster on your computer. I'm going to make a few more optimizations but yes we'll add this code to the next version and that version will be fast on your computer as well.

Regarding the style sheets, Verdana is the default font that text is displayed with in the editor, but it doesn't save the text as verdana unless you select verdana yourself. We could specify no font at all, but then it would display as Time New Roman as that's typically the browser default font. You can change the default font the editor uses to display text on line 419 of editor.js (or just search for "font-size: x-small").

If you manually select a font in the editor it should show up in the published pages. Try the same string of text repeated in all the different fonts (including wingdings), set to font size 1 and bold. You should see a difference. Let me know if there isn't one.

The editor won't output anything as font size=2 unless the user explicitly sets it to font size=2. However, if you want to match that size exactly in CSS you can use "font-size: x-small" which maps exactly to size=2 in IE (not sure about netscape).

So in summary, unless the user changes the font face or size pulldowns the editor shouldn't set any tags at all and will use the default styles of the template. And if you want the user to be able to manually specify a font size that matches the template exactly you may need to either change the templates to use <font size=X> tags or something of that nature, but that only comes in to play if people manually select size 2.

Lastly, if you don't want users changing the size of font face you can comment those out of editor.js so they won't be available.

Did all that make any sense? : )

Dave Edis - Senior Developer
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Dave
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Aug 27, 2002, 9:19 AM

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Taylor, see my reply to Noza above.

Generally though, font sizes in different browsers is a tough issue and one of the limitations of the wysiwyg editor is that it generates html font tags instead of CSS. The editor is based on some functionality in IE and that is the code they output. That's also why the html tags it outputs aren't lowercased or xhtml compliant. We have some ideas to address these issues and in the future hope to be able to resolve some of some of them

The good news is that unless a user manually selects a font or size it won't insert any font tags and will use the default formatting of the template.

Dave Edis - Senior Developer
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noza
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Aug 27, 2002, 10:29 AM

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Dave, Taylor..

A simple solution could be to:
  1. Edit the CSS and change font size from 12px to regula size=2
  2. A problem is also that every AM template page now has the style sheet hard coded. I think, it may be better to create a CSS external file, so you don't have to modify every template... just the one file for the enitre AM and site.
  3. Set the editor.js to default in the font you CSS file is (( right now a user may be confuse as they see "VERDANA 2" and assume they are typing on that, when if fact they are not until is selected.


What do you think ?

Ps: Dave thank you again for optimizing the editor for my good old 166 Blush


noza
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Aug 27, 2002, 10:31 AM

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Taylor, see above about CSS.

About the "email a friend" I have not made the javascript changes to open it in-a-pop-up window, but will post the script with the mods I'm now using. Look for a link later tonight or tomorrow in the original post.

Pat

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